Triumph 955 racing

[Kris955]

Hallo,

Ich bin von Dänemark, versteht Deutch, aber screibt sehr schlecht. Dafur schreibe ich English, ok?

I have just built a Triumph 955 racing bike and started racing in the Nordic Endurance Racing series (Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Finland). I'm an amatuer with a low budget racing. My first race went well. It was a 6-hours race and we did finish, even if we had a small crash and lost 50 minutes for reparations. We finished third last. So I'm happy.

You can see some photos and video form the race on my site http://www.triumph-kbh.com/race20051015/race20051015.htm

http://www.triumph-kbh.com/project/project.htm

I would like to get contacts to anyboidy racing a 955 bike in Germany to exchange hints and tips.

I was building the bike from dead bikes from the junk yard. I have a few problems. The first problem is I used a Sprint St engine with 110 ps. This is too little. So I'm looking for a Daytona 955 2002-2005 engine with 149 ps. Does anybody know a crashed bike where I can buy that type of engine? Or, does anybody know a motorcycle breaker or junkyard (schrotthandel) that has a crashed Daytona955 2002 or newer? (Preferably in north Germany, like Hamburg and north of Hamburg.)

The second problem I had was that the bike was too low. I already have a little shorter drag lik for the rear schock absorber, and but that was not enough. I plan to cut the exhaust pipes and rise them a little higher, but I'm not sure it that is enough. Any good ideas?

Thanks,

Kris

[TobRo]

Hallo!

hüpsches bike

woviel ich weiß hat Kolbi den Motor vom Baujahr 2002 in seine alte gebaut.

und Bad Triple ist gerade dabei den Neuen motor der 1040 speed triple in den Ramen einer 97 zu bekommen.

>>1050 Motor in alten Rahmen<<

hoffe weitergeholfen zu haben

grüße Tobias

Bearbeitet 8. November 2005 von Radioactiveman

[Aufzynden]

Hello Kris,

NICE bike!

Maybe you can find a bigger motor at this part of the forum.

To get the best out of your bike you should invest some money and effort in using Tuneboy.

Hope to see you some time on the track.

Best wishes

Stefan

[andreas]

if you use the new engine, you should also take the new airbox, and therefore the new tank. the new airbox doesn't fit below the old one.

[tripledirk]

Take a look at this It will provide the data for a company that is dealing with used Triumph parts. I've seen them offering the type of engine you're after in the past, so they'll sooner or later have the right part for you.

I hope this helps

[Kris955]

Andreas,

Tanks for the hint. I think the old airbox must fit to the new engine, no? Or is the new airbox better in some way?

tripledirk,

Thanks for the hint. I have sent the a mail with a question for the engine.

Kristoffer

[andreas]

yes, the old airbox is just too small which costs power.

and you should use the tuneboy, it's like a powercomander, but cheaper, and it uses the original engine control unit.

and respect, you've built up the bike in just one month?

[Kris955]

Hi Andreas,

OK, I'll try to get the bigger airbox. Yes I know about the tuneboy, I plan to get it before next season.

Yes I built the bike in three weeks. Of course before I started, I used more time to collect different parts from dead bikes. But the building itself was three weeks, including some problems with making a new axle bushing for the front wheel and other small problems. (The daytona front wheel axle changed diameter in 2002, so my wheels and front fork did not match.) I can tell you that during the building process I was asking myself a few times if "I'm stupid or what" when I got new problems. I think next time, instead of collecting parts from different dead bikes (like Dr.Frankenstein) I would instead buy a 90% complete crashed bike and convert it for racing. So it was a bit crazy, but it was fun to build a bike from zero.

Kris

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[kolbi]

Hello Kris,

I've the 2001+ Daytona engine in a chassis from 2000 (97-00). When you are really interested for the same, you should contact me via email: kahla_kolbe at web.de

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Then I can give a view over some hindrances and parts you will need.

.

Best regards

Steffen

[frankman]

hi

i think the easyest way to build a racing daytona is to get a complete bike or somthing with frame, engine (with right airbox and injection blackbox) swingarm and rear wheel.

it is much easyer to have a solid base than build a bike "from scratch". things like bodywork is secondary. frontfork, frontwheel and calippers from suzuki are availible as used parts.

frank

btw. nice boik...

i move´d this thread in the "technik" section of the forum

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[Padi #4]

Here some pictures from my adventure with a 955i Racing Bike

TRIUMPH T500 Challange 1998

EURO CUP 1999

[SHETTER]

Hi Kriss,

welcome to the club of of cazy idiots!

If you need help call +49 175 526 7799.

Maybe we'll find some aswers for your questions.

Greets Hansjoerg

[Friesenbiker]

dav kris,

det er et rigtigt godt rapport over jeres besøg i sverige.

hvis i kommer til jylland til race, håber jeg vi har mulighed til en mød.

jeg holder meget øjne på jeres webside, men alle turer er jo på

sjæland, det er for langt til mig......

hell og lykke med ombygning.

hilsen

[Kris955]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your interest. The status now is that I found a 2002 engine (with 149 PS) and the new airbox. I hope to get it in two weeks.

I'm a little in doubt about the radiator (wasserkuhler) and the oil cooler. Are they bigger from 2002? Right now I have a radiator from a SprintST measuring 20x40 cm (only the ribbons, excluding side tanks). Can anybody having Daytona955 2002-2005 measure their radiator and tell the size?

Otherwise I wonder about the ride height. I don't have problems with the foot rests, my problem is the belly/engine is grounding when going around corners. Anybody racing D955 solving that problem? I have installed a shorter drag link under the rear shock absorber. But that is not enough. I plan to cut away 2 cm from the exhaust down pipes (krummer) and weld it together so it comes higher up and closer to the engine. What else can I do about the ride height?

Kris

[Dummy]

Hi Kris,

i've a T595 tuned with a race kit made by Wilcox Performance. The hp is indicated with 143 hp. Various parts were modified and replaced, however the radiators are still standard. Okay, the 2002+ is another engine.

Nevertheless cut off the tubes directly behind the oil cooler...

[Friesenbiker]

I'm a little in doubt about the radiator (wasserkuhler) and the oil cooler. Are they bigger from 2002? Right now I have a radiator from a SprintST measuring 20x40 cm (only the ribbons, excluding side tanks). Can anybody having Daytona955 2002-2005 measure their radiator and tell the size?

Otherwise I wonder about the ride height. I don't have problems with the foot rests, my problem is the belly/engine is grounding when going around corners. Anybody racing D955 solving that problem? I have installed a shorter drag link under the rear shock absorber. But that is not enough. I plan to cut away 2 cm from the exhaust down pipes (krummer) and weld it together so it comes higher up and closer to the engine. What else can I do about the ride height?

Kris

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

dav kris,

jeg har en 2005ér daytona,

vandkøler er ca 48 eller 49 x 20cm,

oilkøler er ca 20 x 15 cm.

min rammer ikke imod vejbane.

hilsen calle

[Kris955]

Dav Calle,

I answer in English as some Germans don't understand Danish. Thanks for measuring your radiator. About your bike not dragging the belly on the ground: Well, my bike also did not have this problem from the beginning at the race track. But when the race started and I needed to keep up with the fast guys, then suddenly my bike was dragging the belly along the asphalt in some turns. Well, that's the price of going a bit faster.

I've been told that other racers had this problem, but I thougt "yeah, right, it sounds cool, but it's not real". Then I needed to go faster and I also got this problem. I think Triumph knows this too, as the 2002 model was raised a bit at the rear end. And if you look at the exhaust down pipes on the S3 2005, theyare much higher up and closer to the bottom of the engine. So Triumph did something about it. I just need to see what can be done to the old D955 bike. Right now I'm thinking of installing a GSXR front fork and a longer rear shock. But it cost money. Any sponsors? Or any used rear ohlins/penske for sale? Really if there is a cheaper solution I would like to hear it.

Fo the money of the bike, a new engine and some suspension I could get a used GSXR race bike. But I'm old and stubborn, so I want to fix up the D955.

Kris

[SHETTER]

About your bike not dragging the belly on the ground: Well, my bike also did not have this problem from the beginning at the race track. But when the race started and I needed to keep up with the fast guys, then suddenly my bike was dragging the belly along the asphalt in some turns. Well, that's the price of going a bit faster. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Kris,

du verstehst ja deutsch...

Das Problem wird mit dem 2002er Motor noch schlimmer, denn dann schleift auch noch der Kupplungsdeckel!!!

Frag mal die Leute, die den Jens vom TripleSpeed-Racingteam kennen, der Bursche hat das mit der IDM-Daytona oft erlebt.

Ich habe an meiner "Dicken" das Wilbers-Federbein hinten eingebaut und die Höhenverstellung voll aufgedreht. Die Verkleidung schleift rechts immer noch ein wenig, aber nur noch dann, wenn die Reifen an der Haftungsgrenze sind und die ganze Fuhre schon das Knie braucht, um nicht wegzuschmieren.

Sag' mal - können wir dich zum 1000km Rennen in Hockenheim an Ostern überreden?

Grüße aus dem SDS-Land

Hj.

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[GerT]

Hi Kris,

if you don`t want to spend the money on a oehlins, you should aks some of the special companys for rear shocks and front fork. They have some real cool solutions that they can do to your standard parts.

http://www.hyperpro.com

http://technoflex-suspension.net

http://www.wilbers.de

http://www.white-power.de/

http://www.hh-racetech.de

Of course they are all selling their own suspension, but if you ask for, they will also

rework your standard showa rear shock or your front fork.

And you won't believe what this old parts can do if they were reassembled with the right know how and some few new parts.

I did my old rear shock to hh-racetech, it took a while if they managed to get the special springs, but it worked.

They reassembled my rear shock with new springs and did some work to the inner parts of the damper.

But also they could provide you with a bigger or adjustable damper rod.

At least it will belong to the size of your moneypocket

But you should ask for, it will be much cheaper than new parts, and they will work excelent.

Best regards.

GerT

BTW:

We will race the 1000km Hockenheim Race on 15th April 2006 in Hockenheim.

Not the nearest way for you, but we will rock the show

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[Kris955]

@ Shetter (HJ)

Ja ich verstehe deutch ok. Aber das schreiben ist nich zu erkennen...

Vielen dank fur deine erfarungen mit den bodenfreiheit. Und das invitation nach Hockenheim. Aber ich weiss noch nich ob ich habe ein rad der funktioneert im april. Uber das winter will ich ein neu motor dran stekken, und etwas mit gabel+dämper machen. Das ist vielleich nich das beste test en neue rad nach Deutchland holen. Ich mus zu erst ein par race in Schweden abwikeln, und dan sehen wir.

Ich glaube jetzt muss ich zuruck zum English wechseln, oder mein kopf wird uberhitzt mit zu viel deutch. Fur sie muss es auch ser shlecht diese "duetch" zu lesen.

@ GerT

Thanks for the suspension hints. I think I will contact hh-racetech and the white-power guys and see what they say.

Instead of a full front fork service and rebuild, did anybody try to just put new springs into the front forks? Does that help at all, or just waste of money?

Actually... I have some family (sister) living nearby Karlsruhe. And Hockenheim is not too far away from that I think. So if there is some race at Hockenheim later in the season, maybe after the summer, it could be an option for me. If it's short of long distance I don'øt care. As long as there is nice german beer around.

grusse,

Kris

Bearbeitet 15. November 2005 von Kris955

[akeem]

dav Kris,

new springs in the front fork are better than nothing, but a revision of the fork by Racetech HH is much more effective und not to expensive ( new spring~ 80,-€, revision~140,-€ without mounting ) A new longer rear shock from Wilbers or Öhlins is very effective and betters the handling ( sometims you get used parts for ~ 350,-€ )

have fun

achim

[GerT]

I had linear fork springs from oehlins. They are about 15% harder then the original ones, most other springs are progressive type, and I do not want that. Costs for the oehlins springs are about 20-30€ more than for wilbers or wirth springs.

Before i did the new springs the fork is going to block on every hard braking. With that springs and new oil I will have enough preload that they do not went on block any more.

But to improve the whole fork you should go to rework the complete cartidge, with special shims for example. Also a job for the specialists like hh-racetech or one of the others named above or found near to you.

Best regards.

GerT

PS: Now actually the biggest race for us will be on 16.04.2005 (Easter saturday), but I think in July there will be an other race, Bikers Weekend, again in Hockenheim.

But there is no date for it until now.

Hockenheim is about one hour on the highway north of Karlsruhe, near of Speyer..

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[SHETTER]

Hi Kris,

please keep your german writing, it's a pleasure to read this

If you can manage to join us eastern in Hockenheim, i will pick you up in Karlsruhe, that's haf the way from my home in Freiburg.

Greets Hj.

[Orange Panther]

@GerT + HJ:

da hör ich doch erste Töne in Sachen 1000km hier im Forum. Wann geht denn das richtige Palaver dazu los? Sind glaub ich noch so rund 150 Tage...

@Kris955:

welcome to the crazy club of guys who don´t find the exit!

Klaus

[SHETTER]

Hi Klaus,

meist du wir sollen unser 1000km Palaver tatsächlich schon öffentlich machen?

Wir werden die Jungs hier doch noch genug nerven oder nicht?

Aber im Ernst, je früher das hier losgeht, desto mehr Leute werden sich begeistern lassen, ich kann mich da noch einen ewigen Zauderer aus dem letzten Jahr erinnern

Grüße aus dem SDS-Land